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Or Chevy was jealous of all the Mustang memes :D

It reminded me of when some people I grew up with tried to do ebrake slides after watching one of the Fast and Furious movies...

Electronic ebrake engaged for some reason? Just spitballing...

:cheers:And I thank you for your level-headedness. It's refreshing to see someone with a different bias that doesn't completely freak out at every disagreement. If ignoring him makes your experience better, more power to you :cheers:

I try to be level headed and give a different perspective for looking at this debate, particularly in regards to thePills posts. Instead, the response I get is...

The devil is in the details on this one. I will admit GM gave some nice factory equipment on the 1LE. However, it does have much more aggressive suspension and tires. As in the example of my 4th Gen, you can make up for a lot of a platform's deficiencies with the right suspension and tire...

I guess my big problem with a lot of the posts in the VS section is that there is a lot of extrapolating that one platform is better than the other without actual concrete evidence. I'll use my 4th gen Fbody since it's what I have the most experience with. I have a specific suspension setup...

Sssshhhh... If you show them the logic behind the post, you might mess up their narrative that thePill is completely insane. :gossip: ...Not to mention the more aggressive shocks on the 1LE :cheers:

I guess all those Porsches with lower horsepower and torque must get destroyed at the road course... :doh:

4.6L flat plane TTV8 :ninja: Disclaimer: I have no inside knowledge, but I do hope it's a V8 of some variety as I will be in the market in 2018/2019, and I love my V8s!

:cheers: Cool stuff. We agree on the speed thing. Handling dynamics have more to do with how a car feels under various circumstances, and I think the GT350 will "feel" better. For instance, I had a built third gen Firebird that could absolutely destroy my 95 under most circumstances, but the...

Well, maybe I'm the CEO...:ninja: On topic, I'm going to take a stab and say the ZL1 will out-accelerate the GT350, but the GT350 will have better handling dynamics due to having less weight on the nose.

Well, it's $1.6 billion, and it's to improve margins on low margin vehicles in order to continue their viability in the marketplace. It also frees up capacity here in the States that can be used for future, higher margin vehicles. :thumbsup::ford:

Darn Millenials and their Fast and Furious... Get off my lawn... P.S. I'm a Millenial and all I can think is "WHY would you do that?"

Another thing to keep in mind is that the 2015 is listed as weighing between 4,118 lbs and 4,374 lbs. Technically, the new one could weigh as much as 4,174 lbs and GM would not be lying about the weight. So in summary, it will likely weigh between 3,900 lbs and 4,174 lbs.

Honestly, no one I know pays any attention to the magazines. When it comes to sporty cars they look for, in order of importance, availability, price, looks, then driving feel. Anyone around here who isn't an enthusiast couldn't give two hoots about actual performance numbers. If it has a V8...

According to Good Car Bad Car Camaro December Sales - 5,366 Total Year - 77,502 Challenger December Sales - 4,744 Total Year - 66,365

Thank you. Merely giving my reasons for liking the Mustang better despite the slight stock performance gap.

Here is my take on the Camaro. It looks to be a decent enough performer, however, it has some key areas that I would not be able to get past in order to purchase it. First, from what I have seen (I've seen a few in person, but haven't sat in one yet) they did not rectify the "coffin"...

Honest question, why does the Mustang need to "outperform" the Camaro? Last I checked, performance numbers weren't even remotely close to the top reason most people buy cars.