'17 GT350 vs '17 Camaro SS 1LE

[Khell86]

No one should be surprised by the results. The 1LE is pretty much running the same equipment as the 350R minus the CF wheels, but it holds a slight weight advantage. The HP difference is what is giving the GT350 its win over the 1LE right now. It's impressive. I would even say the 1LE has better tires than the 350TP.

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[Mr Monte]

http://www.camaronews.com/6thgen-camaro/camaro-1le-results-2016-car-driver-lightning-lap-test-vir/

Lap times (around VIR):

2:44.2 — 2016 Dodge Viper ACR
2:45.1 — 2016 Ferrari 488GTB
2:47.0 — 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
2:47.1 — 2017 Corvette Grand Sport
2:47.4 — 2016 McLaren 570S
2:50.2 — 2017 Acura NSX
2:51.8 — 2016 Mustang GT350R
2:52.9 — 2017 BMW //M4 GTS
2:54.0 — 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
2:54.8 — 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V8 1LE
2:56.1 — 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus
3:01.9 — 2016 BMW //M2
3:03.5 — 2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat
3:03.9 — 2016 Focus RS
3:04.0 — 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE
3:05.9 — 2016 Lexus GS-F
3:07.7 — 2016 Audi TTS

Here's some reference times from previous tests. Track conditions unknown

 

[garagelogic]

Here's my personal best time around VIR in my GT350R: 0:00.0

This is the same time I've put up at NCM, AMP, Barber and any other track that I've experienced.

The car is STILL the most enjoyable car to drive that I have owned to-date. (And I've had a few!). Seeing that a z/28 from a year ago in different conditions, likely with different drivers behind the wheel, with a time .9 seconds faster around VIR does nothing to change how I feel about this car. I can imagine non-R GT350 owners feel similarly about their cars, whether or not a suspension-packed Camaro is capable of putting down similar performance metrics for a lower cost.

If someone gets the same type of feeling from driving a SS/1LE or z/28, then that is what they need to own. A car with better performance statistics or better bang-for-the-buck does not necessarily relegate it to being a better car. That decision can only be made by the buyer.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Here's my personal best time around VIR in my GT350R: 0:00.0

This is the same time I've put up at NCM, AMP, Barber and any other track that I've experienced.

The car is STILL the most enjoyable car to drive that I have owned to-date. (And I've had a few!). Seeing that a z/28 from a year ago in different conditions, likely with different drivers behind the wheel, with a time .9 seconds faster around VIR does nothing to change how I feel about this car. I can imagine non-R GT350 owners feel similarly about their cars, whether or not a suspension-packed Camaro is capable of putting down similar performance metrics for a lower cost.

If someone gets the same type of feeling from driving a SS/1LE or z/28, then that is what they need to own. A car with better performance statistics or better bang-for-the-buck does not necessarily relegate it to being a better car. That decision can only be made by the buyer.

/thread.

 

[Voodooo]

Here's the point. Didn't Randy run both the r and z around the same track. Same day. Same driver? And the r kicked it's ass. So why is this even a discussion? We already know what the faster car is. It's the R and everyone knows it.

 

[Memphis]

never mind.

 

[Sasuketr]

Can we assume the 1le is as fast as a regular gt350 or the one with the track pack? How fast is a gt350r compared to a regular gt350?

 

[ZaneWayne]

Here's the point. Didn't Randy run both the r and z around the same track. Same day. Same driver? And the r kicked it's ass. So why is this even a discussion? We already know what the faster car is. It's the R and everyone knows it.

Yes it was faster. 99 percent of people agree. Even guys over st C6 are saying the same thing.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Can we assume the 1le is as fast as a regular gt350 or the one with the track pack? How fast is a gt350r compared to a regular gt350?

It's going to be faster than the 15-16 non TP, and going to be virtually even with the 15-16 TP and standard 17.

(Opinion only Voodoo, don't lose your shit)

 

[JohnnyUtah]

Pobst at Chuckwalla:
GT350R: 1:57.87
Z28: 1:59.03
GT350TP: 2:00.82

If Pobst is 1.6 seconds faster in the 350R than the 1LE at Laguna and the 1LE beat the Z28 time then I would have to guesstimate that it's equal or faster than the 350TP.

I'm sure there will a head to head at some point. Either is a great choice for HPDE. I'd still take the GT350TP even if the 1LE is slightly quicker.

 

[garagelogic]

Pobst at Chuckwalla:
GT350R: 1:57.87
Z28: 1:59.03
GT350TP: 2:00.82

If Pobst is 1.6 seconds faster in the 350R than the 1LE at Laguna and the 1LE beat the Z28 time then I would have to guesstimate that it's equal or faster than the 350TP.

I'm sure there will a head to head at some point. Either is a great choice for HPDE. I'd still take the GT350TP even if the 1LE is slightly quicker with a professional driver behind the wheel.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Khell86]

Pobst at Chuckwalla:
GT350R: 1:57.87
Z28: 1:59.03
GT350TP: 2:00.82

If Pobst is 1.6 seconds faster in the 350R than the 1LE at Laguna and the 1LE beat the Z28 time then I would have to guesstimate that it's equal or faster than the 350TP.

I'm sure there will a head to head at some point. Either is a great choice for HPDE. I'd still take the GT350TP even if the 1LE is slightly quicker.

I think thats fair to say.

 

[thePill]

Pobst at Chuckwalla:
GT350R: 1:57.87
Z28: 1:59.03
GT350TP: 2:00.82

If Pobst is 1.6 seconds faster in the 350R than the 1LE at Laguna and the 1LE beat the Z28 time then I would have to guesstimate that it's equal or faster than the 350TP.

I'm sure there will a head to head at some point. Either is a great choice for HPDE. I'd still take the GT350TP even if the 1LE is slightly quicker.

I'm afraid a 460hp 1Le is no match for a 505hp z28 on R rubber. They weighed the 1Le at 3747lbs so PtW is pretty close.

The difficulty to actually overtake another vehicle with the same or better Power to Weight ratio and superior tires is ever present. You also need to consider those z28's dyno'd magic Numbers like the 469rwhp version Chevy sent. When has a z28 dyno'd that high? Never...

It's fun to pretend the 1Le is a suitable replacement for the z28 and a fine competitor for the GT350. The truth is, Chevy actually can't beat the Z with a Frankensteined 1Le. The jig is pretty much up and I can see people throwing the BS flag.

A 1Le on Goodyears might be great... but you can't expect it to outpace even the ATS-V on its tires. Nor can it manage an M4 GTS, z28 or 350R.

Maybe it could keep pace with the GT350TP but not likely. You are shifting less, have a better footprint, slightly better rubber and far better brakes. At 3750lbs, it just doesn't have the Power to Weight nor tire and brake to keep up with a GT350TP. They were out engineered...

 

[thePill]

They claimed it was 230lbs lighter than the '15. The 2015 was 3870lbs? 3910lbs?

Why does it weight 3750lbs already? Had to add in the sub-frame connectors? The zl1 got them as well I assume?

 

[1320']

I think that's the danger of going by these magazine times, with either semi-pro or VERY pro drivers behind the wheels and expecting your average hobbist or auto enthusiast to match them.

Then they'll scream, blame the manufacturer or claim ringer/bias/buyoff, etc.

Hell I'm not even as good as myself some days..you might have a headache the day you try and drive it, or have an inner ear issue that messes up your senses/balance etc..

Drive the damn cars and have fun, save the stressing to the professionals.

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