2017 Ford Mustang will outperform Chevy Camaro in every way

[Wblv17]

Are they already forming a recall line?

now thats the best post in this thread

Minus several hundred pounds.

depends on what about means, but yeah 200 pounds sounds correct

I think you need to look up in the dictionary for the meaning of fan boy.

will i see your picture?

This topic has gotten beyond ridiculous.

its been that way since it started

Sponsored

 

[02gtnh]

There is a lot you don't see, this is the source of your confusion.

Oh I see a lot. Especially all these made up numbers.

 

[garagelogic]

Are they already forming a recall line?

LOL! And somewhere down the line, a 6thGen Camaro owner will claim their car has "never been rained on"!:lol:

 

[classicrockr]

So the Performance Pack on the S550 isn't a true performance pack since it doesn't boost power?

Or the 1LE? Or the Z07 for the Z06?

Lol okay

Just said I wouldn't CALL it that name. Kinda like every manufacturer out there adds the word "Technology" in every product's commercial - it's deceptive advertising. Heck, even the DRIVER affects "performance", are the drivers called "Performance Packs"? nope.

Just name it like it was named "Heavy duty brake and cooling package". Those that track their cars will know to what level performance is affected.

 

[classicrockr]

Rambling incoherently again? Nothing new. I actually bet in 3 years you will still have your 02 and you will still be wearing out keyboards.

If it's a good car, why get rid of it?

 

[BaylorCorvette]

depends on what about means, but yeah 200 pounds sounds correct

Well that's just an inaccurate assumption. I'll use a little applied mathematics to demonstrate. Now we don't know the weight of the 6th gen, but GM is claiming it to be a bit less than the 5th gen. But for sh!ts and grins lets just use the 5th gen weight, since that would result as a conservative estimate for the 6th gen.

2015 Dodge Charger SRT 392 is 4,400 lbs (per CarandDriver)

2015 Camaro SS 1LE is 3,884 (again per CarandDriver)

4,400 - 3,884 = 516

516 =/= 200

2015 Mustang GT is 3,810 lbs (assuming this is with performance pack)

3,884 - 3,810 = 74

 

[Katastrophe]

Someone really needs to make one of those "Hitler Parody" videos involving the 6th Camaro...

It would help bring some life back in this thread. Also, GM revealing hard numbers would work...

 

[thePill]

Well that's just an inaccurate assumption. I'll use a little applied mathematics to demonstrate. Now we don't know the weight of the 6th gen, but GM is claiming it to be a bit less than the 5th gen. But for sh!ts and grins lets just use the 5th gen weight, since that would result as a conservative estimate for the 6th gen.

2015 Dodge Charger SRT 392 is 4,400 lbs (per CarandDriver)

2015 Camaro SS 1LE is 3,884 (again per CarandDriver)

4,400 - 3,884 = 516

516 =/= 200

2015 Mustang GT is 3,810 lbs (assuming this is with performance pack)

3,884 - 3,810 = 74

Why does the Mustang always need to have a Premium equipped and be loaded?

GTPP's are around 3740-3760lbs... I'm not sure why people obsessively option the car and then measure weight and MSRP.


A GT will need to be loaded to match the SS's weight and MSRP.


However, the SS still needs a lot of Performance equipment and the $$$ and weight will increase from here.


You guys AT&T getting a 3500lbs V6 and a 3700lbs SS...

 

[Katastrophe]

Why does the Mustang always need to have a Premium equipped and be loaded?

GTPP's are around 3740-3760lbs... I'm not sure why people obsessively option the car and then measure weight and MSRP.


A GT will need to be loaded to match the SS's weight and MSRP.


However, the SS still needs a lot of Performance equipment and the $$$ and weight will increase from here.


You guys AT&T getting a 3500lbs V6 and a 3700lbs SS...

I agree on your first point...the Premium trim with a billion options drives me nuts...and not just for the Mustang.

Especially when it comes to comparisons...if a magazine is going to do a TRUE max performance evaluation, they need to use the best trim/option(s) for the job. Didn't C&D also use a Premium for their Lightning Lap 2015?

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Why does the Mustang always need to have a Premium equipped and be loaded?

GTPP's are around 3740-3760lbs... I'm not sure why people obsessively option the car and then measure weight and MSRP.


A GT will need to be loaded to match the SS's weight and MSRP.


However, the SS still needs a lot of Performance equipment and the $$$ and weight will increase from here.


You guys AT&T getting a 3500lbs V6 and a 3700lbs SS...

Well if you're comparing it to the premium level Camaro that seems to make sense, no?

That Car and Driver article of the Camaro SS 1LE has a "base price" of $38,000 and an as tested price of $41,880. If you go to the Chevy website the starting price of a 2SS is $38,300 the adder for the 1LE package is $3,500 making it $41,800. I'm comparing a fairly well optioned Camaro SS.

A 2SS has power adjustable driver and passenger seats, leather interior, heated front seats, Heads up display, MyLink (display screen, the optional NAV doesn't add weight it's just a program in MyLink), Premium 9 speaker Boston Acoustics speaker system and some more stuff. This is a pretty darn loaded Camaro.

Besides, my post was pointing out that a Charger and Camaro are not close to being the same weight. The Camaro and Mustang are closer in weight. FACT.

 

[Khell86]

Well if you're comparing it to the premium level Camaro that seems to make sense, no?

That Car and Driver article of the Camaro SS 1LE has a "base price" of $38,000 and an as tested price of $41,880. If you go to the Chevy website the starting price of a 2SS is $38,300 the adder for the 1LE package is $3,500 making it $41,800. I'm comparing a fairly well optioned Camaro SS.

A 2SS has power adjustable driver and passenger seats, leather interior, heated front seats, Heads up display, MyLink (display screen, the optional NAV doesn't add weight it's just a program in MyLink), Premium 9 speaker Boston Acoustics speaker system and some more stuff. This is a pretty darn loaded Camaro.

Besides, my post was pointing out that a Charger and Camaro are not close to being the same weight. The Camaro and Mustang are closer in weight. FACT.

I could be wrong, but I believe thats the same camaro used in the MT article right? Even though the recaro's look like they're partial leather, the back seats are cloth. Wouldnt that mean 1SS?

 

[BaylorCorvette]

I could be wrong, but I believe thats the same camaro used in the MT article right? Even though the recaro's look like they're partial leather, the back seats are cloth. Wouldnt that mean 1SS?

I have no idea if it was used in MotorTrend. No way to know for certain. But 2SS comes standard with leather interior. The Recaros are a further upgrade.

 

[Khell86]

I have no idea if it was used in MotorTrend. No way to know for certain. But 2SS comes standard with leather interior. The Recaros are a further upgrade.

Now that i've gone back and watched the motortrend video, they're the same camaro. I guess the recaro's add leather regardless if its a 1ss or 2ss.

 

[BaylorCorvette]

Now that i've gone back and watched the motortrend video, they're the same camaro. I guess the recaro's add leather regardless if its a 1ss or 2ss.

Yes the Recaros themselves all look the same. There is no "cloth" Recaro and "leather" Recaro. It is leather with Alcantara on the surface. Similar to the seats in my ZL1.

 

[Brent302]

Yes the Recaros themselves all look the same. There is no "cloth" Recaro and "leather" Recaro. It is leather with Alcantara on the surface. Similar to the seats in my ZL1.

So you are use to GM lieing to you....

Sponsored