P4RKER
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THANK YOU!! You summed up my thoughts exactly!HUH???
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THANK YOU!! You summed up my thoughts exactly!HUH???
I figured simple and to the point would work!!!THANK YOU!! You summed up my thoughts exactly!![]()
I understand how crap companies are run...and how crap individuals make said companies worse. I help run a family business. We put our customers first. If it means losing a dollar here or there...so be it. We lose thousands of dollars a year giving away free products and refunding money. We also gain hundreds of customers because of our reputation. This is how we choose to do business...properly and with integrity. Does this mean it will push back our early retirement plans by a year or so? Maybe. But we put our core values up front and don't screw people over to get ahead in life.:doh: I guess someone doesn't get how corporate America has worked for half a millennium or has never run a business- pure cost/benefit. No one is complacent, but everyone wants everything perfect as cheap as possible which simply does not exist; and sometimes things happen that are purely by chance and outside anything anyone could have ever reasonably seen happening or prevented.
I can think of numerous examples where neither anyone is at fault nor the product is defective. It could have very easily been somethign as simple as a hose clamp that was put on properly at the factory wiggled off under vibration of the engine and the hose popped off. No one's fault at all, and it was installed properly.
All I have seen is wild speculation and bad assumptions by a bunch of "know it all opinions" who want to throw blame around. Again, my suspicion here is that the cost to investigate 1 incident out of 75,000-100,000 sold doesn't make any financial sense.
Can I buy some of your pot?Yowser, glad the OP escaped this okay but that whole situation is something that can stick with you for a long time.
Since every other idiot on the planet has chimed in it must be time for this one to opine.
FoMoCo is not the same as your friendly neighborhood Ford dealer, legally. Of course, that depends on the issue at hand, the state in which you reside, the weight of a leprechaunās pot of gold, the price of tea in China and a bazillion other things. None of that really matters here, though, because while there is only one person here with a fiduciary interest in this matter there are 7266 other members on this forum providing a gateway to the court of public opinion. That court is in fact the largest known to mankind - numbering in the billions and capable of delivering swift justice however they deem fit. If a new car catches fire for no apparent reason, nobody gives a shit if your local Ford isnāt really Ford and if the Ford in Detroit isnāt really your local Ford. Ford had a PR nightmare with the Pinto long before stupid people had access to the internet. Did customers walk into Ford dealerships and praise the employees for not being directly employed by FoMoCo and politely ask to be shown a vehicle that didnāt explode when tapped in the ass? Ralph Nader could have gave a flying f**k if the Chevy dealer wasnāt really Chevy (I hope he doesnāt read this forum because the thought of him rubbing one out to this thread may be more than I can take). But you could be damn sure the dealerships didnāt like that the blue hairs looking for a sedan didnāt know the difference between a Corvair and Corvette.
Why in the hell do people think that, because a car has 6,000 miles on it, it couldnāt possibly be a design fault or manufacturing defect that causes a car to catch fire? Hmmm, the warranty is for 36,000/60,000 miles but that only covers premature wear and tear, right? It says right in the fine print that all fires, explosions, brake failures and fluxes in the space-time continuum happen before the first oil change. Apparently, if something bad happens to a car after it leaves the state of Michigan it must be the ownerās fault or some nefarious, dipshit grease monkey is to blame.
Granted, it is very difficult to prove liability, negligence and cause & effect in a situation like this ā particularly since it was a fire. The āfire scienceā taught to investigators and relied on for the last 50 years has been exposed as mostly hokum and efforts to gain new understanding are just getting started. And who knows, maybe Stone Phillips took one of the incendiary devices planted on the GMC trucks and had a little fun with the OP. Maybe an ex-girlfriend is trying to do him in. Maybe FoMoCo should look up the concept of āres ipsa loquiturā and realize the onus is on them at this point. Maybe they already haveā¦ or maybe they donāt care yet.
Equine fact: some Mustangs are in fact Pintos but not all Pintos are in fact Mustangs.
think your third paragraph just doesn't hold water. The entire engine and drive system, albeit with some electronic and seemingly superficial physical changes, of the GT are virtually unchanged since the advent of the S197 series System. The fact that the vehicle seemingly ran fine until post dealer intervention is suspect at best and I think that's the sensitive nerve that has people questioning not Ford itself but the lack of acknowledgement from the dealer. We all understand that litigation and liability go hand in hand and this could be a totally isolated event hence why the dealer has not come forward. Still, a simple phone call from the dealer to the OP explaining this would have done wonders to ease anxiety.Yowser, glad the OP escaped this okay but that whole situation is something that can stick with you for a long time.
Since every other idiot on the planet has chimed in it must be time for this one to opine.
FoMoCo is not the same as your friendly neighborhood Ford dealer, legally. Of course, that depends on the issue at hand, the state in which you reside, the weight of a leprechaunās pot of gold, the price of tea in China and a bazillion other things. None of that really matters here, though, because while there is only one person here with a fiduciary interest in this matter there are 7266 other members on this forum providing a gateway to the court of public opinion. That court is in fact the largest known to mankind - numbering in the billions and capable of delivering swift justice however they deem fit. If a new car catches fire for no apparent reason, nobody gives a shit if your local Ford isnāt really Ford and if the Ford in Detroit isnāt really your local Ford. Ford had a PR nightmare with the Pinto long before stupid people had access to the internet. Did customers walk into Ford dealerships and praise the employees for not being directly employed by FoMoCo and politely ask to be shown a vehicle that didnāt explode when tapped in the ass? Ralph Nader could have gave a flying f**k if the Chevy dealer wasnāt really Chevy (I hope he doesnāt read this forum because the thought of him rubbing one out to this thread may be more than I can take). But you could be damn sure the dealerships didnāt like that the blue hairs looking for a sedan didnāt know the difference between a Corvair and Corvette.
Why in the hell do people think that, because a car has 6,000 miles on it, it couldnāt possibly be a design fault or manufacturing defect that causes a car to catch fire? Hmmm, the warranty is for 36,000/60,000 miles but that only covers premature wear and tear, right? It says right in the fine print that all fires, explosions, brake failures and fluxes in the space-time continuum happen before the first oil change. Apparently, if something bad happens to a car after it leaves the state of Michigan it must be the ownerās fault or some nefarious, dipshit grease monkey is to blame.
Granted, it is very difficult to prove liability, negligence and cause & effect in a situation like this ā particularly since it was a fire. The āfire scienceā taught to investigators and relied on for the last 50 years has been exposed as mostly hokum and efforts to gain new understanding are just getting started. And who knows, maybe Stone Phillips took one of the incendiary devices planted on the GMC trucks and had a little fun with the OP. Maybe an ex-girlfriend is trying to do him in. Maybe FoMoCo should look up the concept of āres ipsa loquiturā and realize the onus is on them at this point. Maybe they already haveā¦ or maybe they donāt care yet.
Equine fact: some Mustangs are in fact Pintos but not all Pintos are in fact Mustangs.
If it were a design flaw we would see a lot more than just 1 occurrence of this issue. If it were a manufacturing defect the odds of only 1 messed up part out of the tens of thousands (if not 100,000s by now) being produced is insanely unlikely (yes possible, but so is my Mustang flying me to the moon).Why in the hell do people think that, because a car has 6,000 miles on it, it couldnāt possibly be a design fault or manufacturing defect that causes a car to catch fire?
They are only "Top Notch" if you are their customer, if you are a claimant that is not their customer, i.e. you were hit by one of their customers, they take their sweet time in taking care of you and they are also quite condescending in the manner in which they speak to you... I was hit by a USAA member, and USAA took 2 weeks to get an adjuster out to the shop I left my car at, when I called them about the delays, their POC stated "if you're in a hurry why don't you have your insurance take care of it", to which I responded "because I'm not at fault, your customer is, why would I want to involve my insurance company?". This was after about a week, and it still took another week for them to get their act together. That guy really thought I'd take the financial hit because I wanted things done in a timely manner, or at least he was hoping I would....His Insurance company is USAA and they take care of you...top notch!
There are very few items on a car that would be the responsibility of the owner as far as wear and tear goes particularly since the car only had 6000 miles on it. With the exception of possibly brakes and tires, everything else would still be under warranty.I am so glad you have all of this information not available to the rest of us as to what caused the fire! Please tell me more about what exactly did cause it and how you know for a fact it was not a broken part or battery or something else from wear and tear?
I'd first look at what the dealer did for the warranty work, before going to a Ford based issue.If it were a design flaw we would see a lot more than just 1 occurrence of this issue. If it were a manufacturing defect the odds of only 1 messed up part out of the tens of thousands (if not 100,000s by now) being produced is insanely unlikely (yes possible, but so is my Mustang flying me to the moon).
Is that how Ford reacts when something tragic happens to one of their customers?
If you read the quote I originally quoted with the above I am not blaming the OP I was pointing out the huge flaws of an earlier poster who put all blame on ford and stated nothing could have been done wrong at the dealer to cause a fire. I agree it is not the OPs fault.There are very few items on a car that would be the responsibility of the owner as far as wear and tear goes particularly since the car only had 6000 miles on it. With the exception of possibly brakes and tires, everything else would still be under warranty.
No one may know for certain if this is Ford or the dealers fault, but since Ford is at the top of the food chain you would assume that they would first take care of their customer first, and then sort it out later.If you read the quote I originally quoted with the above I am not blaming the OP I was pointing out the huge flaws of an earlier poster who put all blame on ford and stated nothing could have been done wrong at the dealer to cause a fire. I agree it is not the OPs fault.