ATTN: 2016 Base and Tech Coolers (Limp) Owners

[AGGT350]

Does anyone know if an email trail going to FP has been started/created?
Meaning if anytime we go into limp mode, not track limp mode, during street/hwy driving is this being documented and FP made aware, I am not sure if the dealers are being concerned peeps and reporting it to FP.
I get my car tomorrow and I consider myself a proactive individual.
You ask, what the hell is trying to say? My point is if every time our cars does hit limp mode we should send an email to one direct contact at FP and WE SHOULD ALWAYS CC all of us that wants to be in the "KNOW".

I write this because this car will NOT be garaged and it will NOT be TRACKED (I bought the Tech for the creature comforts (SOOOO don't tell me i should have bought a track pak ), driven 4-5 times a week, and i have a 7 year old son and an 8 month old grandson that are my priorities when it comes to safety. If I am cruising around town/Hwy and this thing cuts power, then it could be catastrophic.
Maybe we can have a sticky with all our emails of the members on this forum and members on other forums that we can copy and paste to an email by being CCd and we can call have an email trail. If there is a better way then please chime in.
Thanks!

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This is a concern for me due to daily use of this vehicle and I do not want to have to worry about safety while driving my loved ones at 70 MPH.

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[Shift]

If this happens to me, I will take it to the dealer. If they tell me nothing is wrong, I will call Ford/Performance to let them know I am hitting limp mode during normal usage, and I ask what they want me to do in order to provide proof of it to them, because im not paying a penny for their cooler solution(this obviously doesnt apply to people tracking their car).

 

[superman07]

A lemon is a new motor vehicle that has one or more problems, covered by the warranty, that substantially impair the use, value or safety of that vehicle. The problems must occur within the first year or first 18,000 miles

Limp mode on street - report once, wash and repeat. let them buy the car back and get a 2017, or a 2017 C7 GS.

 

[Tomster]

A lemon is a new motor vehicle that has one or more problems, covered by the warranty, that substantially impair the use, value or safety of that vehicle. The problems must occur within the first year or first 18,000 miles

Limp mode on street - report once, wash and repeat. let them buy the car back and get a 2017, or a 2017 C7 GS.

That is a good perspective. If the car is overheating in normal use, then Ford should buy it back.

Here you have a guy who is informed and is making a decision based upon the specifications of the car. You should be fine and any heat issues within normal use is on Ford. It's a totally different deal though if you are tracking the car and expect track pack cooling performance.

For what its worth, the '17's are the best of both worlds. AGGT350, did you consider a '17 or are you getting a steal on the '16 Tech?

Best of luck

 

[GT_Dave]

1.) I don't think that you will see more than a couple people report a limp mode condition off of the track environment, any of those reports will be born from extremely spirited driving for long periods or an abnormal mechanical condition with the car.
2.) I use my Tech Pack as a daily driver and have about 5,000 miles on it. I installed temperature gauges on the transmission and differential to monitor those temps when I run autocross or track the car. I have not seen the transmission temperature go beyond 190 F, the hottest days and long highway trips are the worst case. It is my understanding that the transmission needs to get to about 260 to 280 degrees before it triggers a limp mode condition.

My point is; If your car is normal, as it should be, then you have nothing to worry about in a normal everyday driving environment as far as going into limp mode.

 

[Hack]

This is a concern for me due to daily use of this vehicle and I do not want to have to worry about safety while driving my loved ones at 70 MPH.

I will be extremely surprised if you have any problem at 70 mph. When the problem occurs, it limits RPM to 4,500 or so. At 70 mph you will not be anywhere near 4,500 RPM if you are in 5th or 6th gear.

However, when I had the problem occur, the ambient temperatures were in the 60s or 70s, so if the problem occurs at 100+ degrees, the car might do something different.

I like your suggestion of good communication and involving other owners in the communication.

 

[superman07]

For me, Its ambient temps, seriously, running 80 even in 5th should not be an issue for this car. its like 4.5k rpm. but do it with some passengers on a 90 plus day for any length of time and watch your temps. Up, Up, Up. It doesn't surprise me when I talk to folks personally that ave hit it multiple times on the street. Several were in high ambient. One was with 4 passengers, and several with a combination of what I mention below.

The car, at least mine is incredible sensitive to any extra weight over just a driver, and ambient temps.

40 minute joy ride (not running hard at all) with my wife and her friend to a casino at 90 degrees hit over 240. Had it been a heavier passenger, and had I actually been driving spirited, forget about it.

even in mid 80s it runs hot, but so far not enough to hit Limp, it tops out at 240 or so. Once you add degrees, speed, or weight it compounds. It isn't really a magic equation. The ability to cool the transmission is readily exceeded in higher temps by smaller changes to one or both of the others.

 

[AGGT350]

That is a good perspective. If the car is overheating in normal use, then Ford should buy it back.

Here you have a guy who is informed and is making a decision based upon the specifications of the car. You should be fine and any heat issues within normal use is on Ford. It's a totally different deal though if you are tracking the car and expect track pack cooling performance.

For what its worth, the '17's are the best of both worlds. AGGT350, did you consider a '17 or are you getting a steal on the '16 Tech?

Best of luck

Yeah definitely not tracking her. Your correct, both of both worlds but I already fell in love with the combo i found form KS:love:

I got it for MSRP but i still paid for shipping so i would still call it an ADM but then again i get a pleasure of Cali dealers calling me asking if im still interested and i now have a verbiage of:
"Thank you for the follow up but i got my baby at MSRP from an out of state dealer"
Some replies:
Sales guy: "you know it wont pass emissions here in CA"
Sales guy: "you should have called me before purchasing, i would have lowered the ADM to $10k" WTF!!

 

[AGGT350]

1.) I don't think that you will see more than a couple people report a limp mode condition off of the track environment, any of those reports will be born from extremely spirited driving for long periods or an abnormal mechanical condition with the car.
2.) I use my Tech Pack as a daily driver and have about 5,000 miles on it. I installed temperature gauges on the transmission and differential to monitor those temps when I run autocross or track the car. I have not seen the transmission temperature go beyond 190 F, the hottest days and long highway trips are the worst case. It is my understanding that the transmission needs to get to about 260 to 280 degrees before it triggers a limp mode condition.

My point is; that you have nothing to worry about in a normal everyday driving environment as far as going into limp mode.

Good to see someone driving this thing and not babying it. You sir, is a good example of driving a vehicle to its fullest.

 

[superman07]

Dave, what gauge and sensors are you reading, I would be truly shocked if your actually only seeing 190 on a longer trip anywhere north of 82-3 degrees. If you are not hitting limp mode, and your not concerned that is great. But if you have the opportunity I would suggest verifying you are getting the right readings.

For clarification and the purposes of sharing info, not trying to be a overbearing prick.

All temps that I post are from the ODB2 and read by the Nguage. these are the same exact readings the ecu uses for limp mode detection. Up to this point I have stopped to let the car cool if I hit 260. it takes 280 to hit Limp.

 

[AGGT350]

For me, Its ambient temps, seriously, running 80 even in 5th should not be an issue for this car. its like 4.5k rpm. but do it with some passengers on a 90 plus day for any length of time and watch your temps. Up, Up, Up. It doesn't surprise me when I talk to folks personally that ave hit it multiple times on the street. Several were in high ambient. One was with 4 passengers, and several with a combination of what I mention below.

The car, at least mine is incredible sensitive to any extra weight over just a driver, and ambient temps.

40 minute joy ride (not running hard at all) with my wife and her friend to a casino at 90 degrees hit over 240. Had it been a heavier passenger, and had I actually been driving spirited, forget about it.

even in mid 80s it runs hot, but so far not enough to hit Limp, it tops out at 240 or so. Once you add degrees, speed, or weight it compounds. It isn't really a magic equation. The ability to cool the transmission is readily exceeded in higher temps by smaller changes to one or both of the others.

Good to know and I will keep all that in mind.
Lastly, no more Mcds for my boy

 

[hal_farthead]

FWIW, I have driven a 300 mile day at speeds ranging from 70-95+ on a day with ambient temps in low-mid 90s with no issue. Some of this was on 2-lane roads with downshifts into 4th for passing.

 

[superman07]

Some definitely seem to have better luck than others. The first time I take it in I will request a fluid change.

 

[shelbydave]

Mine has went into limp on the highway 3 times ..no prompts on the 3 just the car falling on its face.going about 70for 45 minutes in mid 90s weather.

 

[JN66]

Mine has went into limp on the highway 3 times ..no prompts on the 3 just the car falling on its face.going about 70for 45 minutes in mid 90s weather.

Dave have you reported it (I assume so) and has Ford done anything? Recommended anything?

I am in the same boat as you except i'm about half a dozen times now...

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