2015 5.0 and Ecoboost in this year's Car & Driver Lightning Lap

[garagelogic]

I love how you keep saying that GM is releasing lies to slow down Mustang sales haha. Kind of funny.

I couldn't agree more. GM doesn't need to propagate lies in order to affect Mustang sales. All they need to do is keep building Camaro's that have great instrumented testing numbers but don't have broad appeal and Mustang sales will do just fine.

It's shaping up to be the late '90's/early 2000's all over again. Camaro puts down performance numbers that eclipse the Mustang performance numbers, sell them at a higher price and the fanboys claim superiority across the board. Of course, despite all that, the end result was the Camaro still getting outsold by the Mustang and production being shut down.

Until performance enthusiasts with a taste for been there-done that styling become the majority of people buying pony cars, i'm not in the least bit worried about the Mustang's future. Everything else is just juvenile chest-thumping and online/parking lot theatrics.

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[thePill]

Unless CD has stock in GM, I don't think GM had anything to do with placing the V in this class. I love how you keep saying that GM is releasing lies to slow down Mustang sales haha. Kind of funny.

Still doesn't change the fact it happened...

You just placed 100% of your faith into a farse.

It's dirty and for some reason, wherever there's some dirty sh!t, GM is usually involved.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Nothing more to say. About 6 seconds is a pretty big margin.

For sure. Kudos to GM for building a fast family sedan.

 

[thePill]

For sure. Kudos to GM for building a fast family sedan.

I'm still amazed nobody on that side is up in arms over this publication. To be one of the Top 3 magazine publications yet folly such a number as Price As Tested concerns me.

They obviously understood that it WAS NOT a $64,500 dollar vehicle. They also understood that it DOES NOT belong in the LL2 class they made up.

C&D obviously had NO IDEA 122mph in the 1/4 was fishy, nor the 120mph in 12 seconds from the acceleration test.


There is always a funk surrounding Test like these. There isn't an honest bone in the GM body...

 

[Bossing]

^Oh please... hilarious, how hilarious!

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

...and 9/11 was an inside job, there are aliens at Roswell, and the Illuminati rule the world...

Too much time on one's hands isn't good for the brain.

 

[thePill]

...and 9/11 was an inside job, there are aliens at Roswell, and the Illuminati rule the world...

Too much time on one's hands isn't good for the brain.

I'm retired... that is usually the goal...

 

[Viral]

It's shaping up to be the late '90's/early 2000's all over again. Camaro puts down performance numbers that eclipse the Mustang performance numbers, sell them at a higher price and the fanboys claim superiority across the board. Of course, despite all that, the end result was the Camaro still getting outsold by the Mustang and production being shut down.

5th Gen Camaro outsold the Mustang for 6 straight years

 

[Todd15Fastback]

5th Gen Camaro outsold the Mustang for 6 straight years

So you think that "little pause on production" didn't impact those numbers? I mean all the Camaro lovers went 7-8 years without being able to buy a brand new car.....it was not a huge difference in numbers, either.

 

[thePill]

5th Gen Camaro outsold the Mustang for 6 straight years

That should make up for the 8 years it's a$$ was in the grave :lol:

Did you know the 2015 Mustang is about to surpass the 2010 Camaro's sales pace??? In the last 6 months, the Mustang has sold 86,000 cars. In the last year, it's been 112,000. Remember, this is North America alone...

The 2010 Camaro sold 129,000 cars in a 16 month MY. The Mustang is at 112,000 in 12 months in North America.

We could see 150,000+ cars sold in NA from Jan '15 to Dec '15. Maybe another 20,000 worldwide...


The 5th Gen's initial sales numbers are being dwarfed in comparison...

 

[w3rkn]

How much in aftermarket suspension mods, would it take to make the new Mustang competent on the track..?

$1,800..?
Reason I bring this up, as nearly everyone understand the refinement that went into the new Stang, and the new clientele it is going after(BMW?). So knowing track junkies, would most naturally get stiffer spring/struts, etc.

The potential for the new Mustang is much greater than in the past. So what does stock tracks performance really matter,.so much as only a barometer.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

How much in aftermarket suspension mods, would it take to make the new Mustang competent on the track..?

$1,800..?
Reason I bring this up, as nearly everyone understand the refinement that went into the new Stang, and the new clientele it is going after(BMW?). So knowing track junkies, would most naturally get stiffer spring/struts, etc.

The potential for the new Mustang is much greater than in the past. So what does stock tracks performance really matter,.so much as only a barometer.

Well stated and very accurate:cheers:

 

[SidewaysPete]

Wait.....you claim to have a 2015 Mustang and a 1LE. Why don't you do it and while you're at it, show us some pictures of your 2015 Mustang with you in front of it?

lol there is no 6th gen mustang beating ken thwait's camaro. 5th gen camaros are dominating optima GT racing.


the 1le is the better-handling car. period. i've tracked both on the same road course in the same weather, and the 1le consistently places faster lap times(usually ~3 seconds difference). it's a lot more planted with better steering feel. even after the addition of IRS, the mustang is wild, loose and very tail happy. both interiors are trash, but who really buys these cars for interior? the only edge I give to the mustang is the coyote. give me the coyote all day.

btw that's a 2014 5.0 in the back incase you think i am biased towards one manufacturer.


both will be gone once my gt350 arrives.

 

[02gtnh]

lol there is no mustang beating ken thwait's camaro in a s550. 5th gen camaros are dominating optima GT racing.


the 1le better-handling car. i've tracked both on the same road course in the same weather, and the 1le consistently places faster lap times(usually ~3 seconds difference). it's a lot more planted with better steering feel. even after the addition of IRS, the mustang is wild, loose and very tail happy. both interiors are trash, but who really buys these cars for interior? the only edge I give to the mustang is the coyote. give me the coyote all day.

btw that's a 2014 5.0 in the back incase you think i am biased towards one manufacturer.


both will be gone once my gt350 arrives.

Sounds like real world results to me. In real world, what % on winning a race is the driver and the car that are equally set up?

 

[w3rkn]

How much was Ken Thwait's Camaro, and how much has he put into it?

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