suspension upgrades

[ivanuke]

For an all at race car build, could i replace the magneride shocks with a more heavy duty track only suspension set up and not have problems with the different modes on the car? Like changing the steering feel or exhaust, TC, and other things.

I only ask because I remember someone disconnecting their exhaust and they had issues with the drive modes on the vehicle, i hope its not the same issue if you remove the shocks.

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[Rated R]

It would be a waste to order magneride shocks if you're going that way.

 

[ivanuke]

It would be a waste to order magneride shocks if you're going that way.

It was the only way to get all the coolers and the spoiler unfortunately

 

[mattlqx]

It was the only way to get all the coolers and the spoiler unfortunately

But adding all of those would've cost less than $6500 though I bet.

 

[nastang87xx]

But adding all of those would've cost less than $6500 though I bet.

I mulled through this before I made my order. I did the math and it was about $1500. Then coilovers, another $3000 or so. However, you'd have to get pumps, the actual coolers themselves, cut into the diff and trans and all that. Messy...at least for me. I don't have a very good work area for that advanced of jobs. I was also convinced that for me, the MagneRide system would offer plenty of suspension performance without going to coilovers. And if anyone here says that coilovers on this car will give that THAT much more time off their lap times, show me the videos. We're mostly average joe drivers here. I love my racing season but I am FAR from a P Class autocrosser.

 

[krt22]

What faults have you found with the stock suspension? What class will you be racing in?

 

[ivanuke]

What faults have you found with the stock suspension? What class will you be racing in?

No faults with the stock set up, I can feel the body roll of the car though when going around the track. I don't want to get rid of my shocks completely, I would just prefer to have a dedicated set up for track. I don't know a whole lot about car suspension tuning, I was just curious if other options were possible

 

[xt6wagon]

I mulled through this before I made my order. I did the math and it was about $1500. Then coilovers, another $3000 or so. However, you'd have to get pumps, the actual coolers themselves, cut into the diff and trans and all that. Messy...at least for me. I don't have a very good work area for that advanced of jobs. I was also convinced that for me, the MagneRide system would offer plenty of suspension performance without going to coilovers. And if anyone here says that coilovers on this car will give that THAT much more time off their lap times, show me the videos. We're mostly average joe drivers here. I love my racing season but I am FAR from a P Class autocrosser.

Ford will be selling the exact same rear diff cooler in a kit. Not sure about the transmission cooler, but I hope so. I've seen one thing that said the transmission would have different casting for the transmission case to allow for the cooler, but that seems... unlikely as it would be cheaper to produce the case and simply machine the required ports for the cooler.

 

[Hack]

No faults with the stock set up, I can feel the body roll of the car though when going around the track. I don't want to get rid of my shocks completely, I would just prefer to have a dedicated set up for track. I don't know a whole lot about car suspension tuning, I was just curious if other options were possible

Huh, one of the supposed benefits of Magneride is slowing/controlling body roll. The magazine guys that drove the car said that they couldn't detect body roll. If the current body roll is too much for you I think you are in for a challenge to try to reduce it.

I bet if you put a different shock on your car the body will roll a lot more. Then you will have to re-engineer the springs and sway bars as well. Since the Magneride is partially serving to control body motion you will probably need everything to be a lot stiffer to provide equivalent body control. It will really suck driving the car with suspension being that stiff.

 

[Voodooo]

Ford will be selling the exact same rear diff cooler in a kit. Not sure about the transmission cooler, but I hope so. I've seen one thing that said the transmission would have different casting for the transmission case to allow for the cooler, but that seems... unlikely as it would be cheaper to produce the case and simply machine the required ports for the cooler.

I doubt the transmission case is different, I'd bet the ports are plugged off. I have a track pack, if a tech or base owner could post pics that would be nice. But I doubt the casting is different. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Grimace427]

I've seen one thing that said the transmission would have different casting for the transmission case to allow for the cooler, but that seems... unlikely as it would be cheaper to produce the case and simply machine the required ports for the cooler.

The transmission case/bellhousing is indeed different for the Track Pack/R models. The cooling pump is integrated into the case and driven off the input shaft. The standard model has this section blocked off.

 

[nastang87xx]

I've seen one thing that said the transmission would have different casting for the transmission case to allow for the cooler, but that seems... unlikely as it would be cheaper to produce the case and simply machine the required ports for the cooler.

The transmission cooler is highly integrated into the transmission and for R and Track Pack cars, the transmission case is indeed different. The pump is integrated into the actual housing.

 

[Wblv17]

body in white and a crate 5.2 instead?

 

[908ssp]

Rumor is that Ford may have a tuner for the magneride shocks so you can put heavier springs on it and then tune the shocks to match.

 

[icormba]

Huh, one of the supposed benefits of Magneride is slowing/controlling body roll. The magazine guys that drove the car said that they couldn't detect body roll. If the current body roll is too much for you I think you are in for a challenge to try to reduce it.

I bet if you put a different shock on your car the body will roll a lot more. Then you will have to re-engineer the springs and sway bars as well. Since the Magneride is partially serving to control body motion you will probably need everything to be a lot stiffer to provide equivalent body control. It will really suck driving the car with suspension being that stiff.

I've felt slight body roll as well, but once I put it on Sport mode... it's gone. Then again I have not taken the car to the track yet.

Our current modes are: Normal, Sport, Comfort and in that order on my screen. I have not used Comfort mode and I'm not even sure why it's there? Normal mode for street is perfect.

It should be: Normal, Sport, Track

:ford: ;)

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