Science is now cancelled? [USERS NOW BANNED FOR POLITICS]

[gimmie11s]

I'll save you the trouble and embarrassment:

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60653946

In case you have trouble understanding this, here are the top line conclusions of each link:

1. VAERS cannot and does not determine whether a vaccine caused something. The CDC states this clearly in their disclaimer: "A report to VAERS does not mean that the vaccine caused the adverse event, only that the adverse event occurred some time after vaccination."

2. "In this interim analysis of surveillance data from 6.2 million persons who received 11.8 million doses of an mRNA vaccine, event rates for 23 serious health outcomes were not significantly higher for individuals 1 to 21 days after vaccination compared with similar individuals at 22 to 42 days after vaccination."

3. "A major study of vaccine side-effects in the US found no link between two Covid jabs and the number of deaths recorded after vaccination."

Interesting. So 21 THOUSAND people who have died due to this vaccination are of no consequence?


Further, the government's trusted website that has been used to track vaccine effects for decades is now magically not trustworthy? What else from the government is not trustworthy?

Should we trust what VAERS has to say about Polio? Small pox? Influenza?

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[Burkey]

Interesting. So 21 THOUSAND people who have died due to this vaccination are of no consequence?


Further, the government's trusted website that has been used to track vaccine effects for decades is now magically not trustworthy? What else from the government is not trustworthy?

Should we trust what VAERS has to say about Polio? Small pox? Influenza?

“Following” vaccination isn’t the same as “due to”.

Wato take a guess how many Americans die each year “following” brushing their teeth?
Using your methodology, it seems that tooth brushing is an existential threat and should be avoided at all costs.

They really need a VAERS-like data base for this so that people like you can alert the public to the REAL dangers.

 

[rick81721]

Interesting. So 21 THOUSAND people who have died due to this vaccination are of no consequence?


Further, the government's trusted website that has been used to track vaccine effects for decades is now magically not trustworthy? What else from the government is not trustworthy?

Should we trust what VAERS has to say about Polio? Small pox? Influenza?

See there's your problem. 21000 died "due to this vaccination" is flat-out nonsense. Again, you don't understand VAERS at all.

 

[rick81721]

“Following” vaccination isn’t the same as “due to”.

Wato take a guess how many Americans die each year “following” brushing their teeth?
Using your methodology, it seems that tooth brushing is an existential threat and should be avoided at all costs.

They really need a VAERS-like data base for this so that people like you can alert the public to the REAL dangers.

Exactly. I made a similar analogy earlier. Anyone could do the same study as the one I linked on virtually anything. My example was pizza. Follow 6 million people of the same age groups for 3 weeks after eating pizza and tabulate how many had headaches, nausea, strokes, heart attacks or died. By these clowns logic, all those medical events are due to one meal of pizza.

 

[gimmie11s]

“Following” vaccination isn’t the same as “due to”.

Wato take a guess how many Americans die each year “following” brushing their teeth?
Using your methodology, it seems that tooth brushing is an existential threat and should be avoided at all costs.

They really need a VAERS-like data base for this so that people like you can alert the public to the REAL dangers.

Fair post, but you nor Rick81721 address the point I made which is:

Why has VAERS been trusted for decades on every vaccine to date, yet the info presented for CV19 is somehow no good?

Even if I grant you the idea that the VAERS info is not vetted -- Fine.

What we CAN gather from VAERS data is the trend line and that the CV19 trend would assume similar variances for other reports including Polio, small pox, Influenza, etc etc etc.

That in and of itself it worrisome and a cause for pause/reflection/questioning of what is going on.

 

[gimmie11s]

See there's your problem. 21000 died "due to this vaccination" is flat-out nonsense. Again, you don't understand VAERS at all.

Im good with that... change the wording from "due to" to "after".

Still doesn't solve the question posed.

 

[GT Pony]

See there's your problem. 21000 died "due to this vaccination" is flat-out nonsense. Again, you don't understand VAERS at all.

Yeah ... he only "sees" what he wants to see based on his misconceptions and the "want" to disregard the actual data and facts.

There are only 3 reported deaths that can actually be directly linked to the vaccine.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine.

 

[rick81721]

Yeah ... he only "sees" what he wants to see based on his misconceptions and the "want" to disregard the actual data and facts.

There are only 3 reported deaths that can actually be directly linked to the vaccine.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine.

That sounds right. I thought there might be a few anaphylaxis deaths but apparently none. There were dozens of anaphylactic reactions but all were successfully resolved.

 

[GT Pony]

Yeah.. .isnt that the point of the vaccine?? lmao

So you agree it absolutely does not work.

More moving of the goal posts....

It would take me 2 seconds to pull up literally THOUSANDS of clips of people declaring the vaccine will prevent illness, period.

Yeah.. that didn't pan out quite so well, did it?

... how many times does it have to be said that the vaccine does not prevent people from being infected and possibly getting "ill" to some degree if exposed to the virus.

Eveyone's body reacts differently if exposed to the virus, and that's even true if they are vaccinated. It's a fact that people who are not vaccinated don't do nearly as well reacting to a Covid infection than people who are vaccinated - or do you have some source from some nutjob source that says otherwise, lol.

 

[GT Pony]

Im good with that... change the wording from "due to" to "after".

Still doesn't solve the question posed.

Someone died in a car crash "after" they got vaccinated ... so I guess they died from the vaccine.

 

[Gregs24]

That sounds right. I thought there might be a few anaphylaxis deaths but apparently none. There were dozens of anaphylactic reactions but all were successfully resolved.

Actually the COVID vaccines in general are much less allergenic than say the flu vaccines because of the way they are made. Sorry to introduce facts.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Someone died in a car crash "after" they got vaccinated ... so I guess they died from the vaccine.

Actually, precisely this logic was applied in Romania in the early covid days. Every person who had been diagnosed with covid, and happened to die before having been declared officially cured, was counted as a covid death. Even if that person had been hit by a bus.
I'm not making this up; the Romanian health ministry admitted it at the time and didn't even think that it might be considered wrong in any way.

 

[gimmie11s]

... how many times does it have to be said that the vaccine does not prevent people from being infected and possibly getting "ill" to some degree if exposed to the virus.

Nice goal post move (again). This technique is often used when the team is losing the game and options to win are quickly running out.

Case in point: The Pfizer CEO disagrees with you in that he assures us his vaccine keeps 90% of those who take his vaccine from getting COVID 19. EL OH EL

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/cov...ercent-effective-in-preventing-infection.html


And of course there's our President proclaiming you won't get COVID if you get the VAX!
COME ON MAN!


https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900


The digital evidence of "professionals" saying the opposite of what you post above is preponderant.


Keep drinking the cool aid, fella!

 

[rick81721]

Nice goal post move (again). This technique is often used when the team is losing the game and options to win are quickly running out.

Case in point: The Pfizer CEO disagrees with you in that he assures us his vaccine keeps 90% of those who take his vaccine from getting COVID 19. EL OH EL

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/cov...ercent-effective-in-preventing-infection.html


And of course there's our President proclaiming you won't get COVID if you get the VAX!
COME ON MAN!


https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-2021-video-saying-vaccinations-prevent-covid-resurfaces-1726900


The digital evidence of "professionals" saying the opposite of what you post above is preponderant.


Keep drinking the cool aid, fella!

Well at least you dropped your covid vaccine death nonsense. Progress lol.

 

[Gregs24]

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