GM is pulling back on EVs

[K4fxd]

On the morning of June 11, 2023, a vehicle fire under I-95

I suppose if it was an EV that burned you would find an excuse to make it OK. Yes it will happen sooner or later. Probably in a parking garage.

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[jtmat]

I suppose if it was an EV that burned you would find an excuse to make it OK. Yes it will happen sooner or later. Probably in a parking garage.

There you go again... if, if, if. Oh, goodness. You "suppose" or did you have something worth reading to post? Go drink your dinner.

 

[K4fxd]

One of my friends Tesla burned down his house. Is that an if?

 

[5-OH]

12 of the 17 teslas at my yard caught fire when they crashed.

 

[Mitch03]

They didn't even burn the trees around them. What a sad and pitiful fire!

You can't do better than that? Then you want someone to "imagine". Imagine what, subsidized fossil fuel atomic bombs driving all over the USA? Oh, don't have to imagine that. Just one took down an entire bridge and killed people.

Since you the memory of a goldfish, here is a reminder. Oh, maybe since you don't see flames, you think your image is more menacing? Ha ha ha. Can't make this up.

The fire just started So it’ll go several more hours before it will burn out. Just imagine if those were EV‘s On that truck. Your reading Comprehension skills are lacking and the way you promote yourself screams of a teenager.

 

[K4fxd]

Oh, goodness. You "suppose" or did you have something worth reading to post? Go drink your dinner.

Wow, condescending and an insult. All in one short post. Bravo (golf clap)

I have a leftist Niece. We cannot talk about current events or politics, because when her beliefs are shown to be based in fantasy land she gets violent.

You remind me of her.

 

[jtmat]

Wow, condescending and an insult. All in one short post. Bravo (golf clap)

I have a leftist Niece. We cannot talk about current events or politics, because when her beliefs are shown to be based in fantasy land she gets violent.

You remind me of her.

Took you a while to think of that one. Did you call a friend? Ha ha ha....

I'm sure she feels a lot of pain. Poor thing.

The fire just started So it’ll go several more hours before it will burn out. Just imagine if those were EV‘s On that truck. Your reading Comprehension skills are lacking and the way you promote yourself screams of a teenager.

Just imagine if there were EVs on the truck? Ha ha ha.

You three Bros are so eaten up with politics, you don't live in reality.

Want to see a lot of dead wildlife, tainted water supply, and human disease? This is what you are paying major subsidies for!!!

This is what a tanker truck fire looks like.

Random poster talking about a little Tesla fire and guy still posting. A tanker would have blown your azz up.

Car crash involving a tanker truck kills driver, burns nearby homes in Frederick County​

Lots of Americans being put to work due to some great decisions but you guys are against it. Figures.

EVs are not the future. They are already here.

No one wants to live like this anymore:

How many people have to die before we take action? We need to end this madness!!!!

We need EVs now!

 

[K4fxd]

How many people have to die before we take action?

Typical rally cry.

We need EVs now!

You should visit Fantasy Island and find out how life would be without oil


How many kids are killed mining battery ingredients?

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/r...-of-goods/supply-chains/lithium-ion-batteries

 

[Mitch03]

Took you a while to think of that one. Did you call a friend? Ha ha ha....

I'm sure she feels a lot of pain. Poor thing.



Just imagine if there were EVs on the truck? Ha ha ha.

You three Bros are so eaten up with politics, you don't live in reality.

Want to see a lot of dead wildlife, tainted water supply, and human disease? This is what you are paying major subsidies for!!!

This is what a tanker truck fire looks like.

Random poster talking about a little Tesla fire and guy still posting. A tanker would have blown your azz up.

Car crash involving a tanker truck kills driver, burns nearby homes in Frederick County​

Lots of Americans being put to work due to some great decisions but you guys are against it. Figures.

EVs are not the future. They are already here.

No one wants to live like this anymore:

How many people have to die before we take action? We need to end this madness!!!!

We need EVs now!

BFD. You must of searched all night looking for pictures trying to prove a point which you didn’t at all! This confirms what I and K4fxd said earlier about who you are…..someone who hasn’t a clue.

 

[sk47]

Hello; One thing the last series of posts with jtmat appears to show is that the belief factor has gone beyond any use of logic. He/she is a true believer to whom no amount of logic nor facts will matter. That I and others are fine with the voluntary ownership of a BEV and that our main objections are the enforcement type methods being forced upon us has not mad an impression.

I post the current price of the cheapest new BEV and ICE listed for 200 miles surrounding my home. The results showing a ten grand difference for new vehicles. jtmat comes back with what must be the price of a used EV somehow thinking that is a rebutal. Add to that I can find used ICE listed much cheaper than $5000.

jtmat posts about the fuel tanker fire that indeed caused serious damage to an interstate overpass. Extremely bad luck to be sure that the truck broke down and caught fire in that spot. Yet jtmat pretends to ignore the understood intensity of BEV fires. I do not know if the total energy of a BEV battery pack is greater than the fuel for an ICE. Total energy involved may be similar in the sense of how much energy is needed to move the mass of a vehicle 300 miles. Such is a good question.
Regardless it is become known the BEV fires are much harder to extinguish. The common measure we can use is the amount of water needed to control each type. A few hundred gallons for an ICE versus tens of thousands for a BEV. Then the BEV can flare up later as the energy in the battery pack may not have been drained.

I live near a national park, Cumberland Gap National Park. As a small child I played and explored in what was to become park land. In the late 1950's I was a member of a Boy Scout Troop which participated in the founding ceremony of the park. My hometown, Middlesboro KY, was not known at that time to be in an ancient meteor crater. But to leave to the south a steep road had to cross a ridge. From way before i was born and as far back as the Daniel Boone times the Gap of the Cumberlands was a low point to travel thru.
Back in the 1990's two tunnels were cut thru that ridge for a highway (US 25E) north and south. The old road across the ridge was removed. I have to travel thru those tunnels often. Being on Federal land some rules are in place. Regular traffic is stopped so tankers and other volatile materials can be escorted thru the tunnels.
I wonder when the authorities will figure out the risk of BEV's catching fire in the tunnels will be a similar risk as that of the tankers. That the Teslas and other BEV's ought to be sent thru under escort. Would make my life more difficult to have the tunnels closed. Would devastate some folks who have to pass thru every day to get to work as any detour might add a hundred miles or more to the trip.

 

[K4fxd]

Regular traffic is stopped so tankers and other volatile materials can be escorted thru the tunnels.
I wonder when the authorities will figure out the risk of BEV's catching fire in the tunnels will be a similar risk as that of the tankers.

I have not thought of this. With the current push and lack of logic I suppose nothing will happen until a BEV self destructs in a tunnel.

 

[sk47]

I have not thought of this. With the current push and lack of logic I suppose nothing will happen until a BEV self destructs in a tunnel.

Hello; An over the road trucker I know told me these Federal tunnels near me are the only ones he knows of which have escort service. There are 24/7 crews and lots of equipment associated with the tunnels. The have each year added new equipment. They have their own wreckers, cleaning equipment and other stuff. Has to be expensive to operate.

But yes, to your point. Some place a BEV will catch fire in a tunnel. Maybe the worst place could be a tunnel which goes under water such as under the Engish Channel.

 

[K4fxd]

Engish Channel.

Or one of the tunnels that go under the Bay in Boston

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

Took you a while to think of that one. Did you call a friend? Ha ha ha....

I'm sure she feels a lot of pain. Poor thing.



Just imagine if there were EVs on the truck? Ha ha ha.

You three Bros are so eaten up with politics, you don't live in reality.

Want to see a lot of dead wildlife, tainted water supply, and human disease? This is what you are paying major subsidies for!!!

This is what a tanker truck fire looks like.

Random poster talking about a little Tesla fire and guy still posting. A tanker would have blown your azz up.

Car crash involving a tanker truck kills driver, burns nearby homes in Frederick County​

Lots of Americans being put to work due to some great decisions but you guys are against it. Figures.

EVs are not the future. They are already here.

No one wants to live like this anymore:

How many people have to die before we take action? We need to end this madness!!!!

We need EVs now!

 

[Burkey]

Typical rally cry.

You should visit Fantasy Island and find out how life would be without oil


How many kids are killed mining battery ingredients?

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/r...-of-goods/supply-chains/lithium-ion-batteries

Weird argument.
Are you saying that kids shouldn’t be working in mines, or possibly even working at all, but particularly in dangerous environments? You‘ll get no disagreement from me on that one if that’s your position.

So where is the point of difference in opinion?
We both seem to agree that kids shouldn’t be working in these conditions.
We both seem to agree that people shouldn’t be killed by the work they perform.

So, in 2017 when 44 people lost their lives in the process of extracting oil and gas in Texas (69 in total for the US that year, which was actually a good year, see chart below) was that the fault of oil and gas or was that simply a failure of people and processes?

Are we going to blame lithium for every death that occurs in the mining process of the commodity? Do we stop using lithium or do we seek to improve the conditions of the people who are mining it?

If we were going o play the “blame the commodity” game, coal would never have taken off. Remember the 1900s - 1950s when coal mining was DIRECTLY killing 200 or so Americans every year, not including the deaths that occurred as a result of their acquired illnesses of course….

What did we do? We changed the methods, just as we should here. Interestingly, they relied on science to improve the living standards of those workers, while another bunch of idiots tried to deny that a problem even existed…..sound familiar?

As usual, the situation improved after a series of government mandates were introduced because the free market wasn’t going to act…..again, see any parallels?

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