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This reminds me of when people complain about the quality of a $70k Hellcat. At the end of the day it is still a Challenger in build quality, reliability, etc. Same goes for the Mustang. I would consider my options if I could afford a $60k car. There are some attractive options in that price range, especially something low miles / pre-owned. Better performance too.
What would you buy for $70k that has a combination of better performance as well as better build quality when compared to a similarly priced Mustang?

I'm genuinely interested, because I get bored fast and I've been looking at my options for over a year. I haven't found anything for $50K - $80K that entices me. Maybe I've missed something though.
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What would you buy for $70k that has a combination of better performance as well as better build quality when compared to a similarly priced Mustang?

I'm genuinely interested, because I get bored fast and I've been looking at my options for over a year. I haven't found anything for $50K - $80K that entices me. Maybe I've missed something though.
Poke around on kbb.com but here’s one example (used):
2014 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL63 AMG Coupe
536 hp / 590 tq
“Fair purchase price” about $68k
 

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This reminds me of when people complain about the quality of a $70k Hellcat. At the end of the day it is still a Challenger in build quality, reliability, etc. Same goes for the Mustang. I would consider my options if I could afford a $60k car. There are some attractive options in that price range, especially something low miles / pre-owned. Better performance too.
I don't buy that mentality. It's 2017 and excellent build quality is simply expected. It's expected on an $18,000 Corolla or Civic. It really boggles the mind that some of the little problems are not corrected. Statistical process control in not new, and Ford uses it.
 

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If you look at old reviews of what we would call muscle cars that term does not get mentioned. For example caranddrivers review of the 1967 GT500...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/1967-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-road-test

Super car, but not muscle car. I suspect the term muscle car came along years after the term pony car was in use. But I might be wrong.
In the common parlance the term "sports car" is the biggest tent. The term is used generically for any high performance car. You can curse the darkness and say everybody is wrong, but in the real world most people consider the Mustang to be a sports car. "Pony car" really comes down to the Mustang, and American cars inspired by the Mustang or intended to compete with the Mustang. Most people would consider a "pony car" to be a subset of "sports car".

It's usually easier to come up with a few things that something is clearly not. Mustang is not a sedan. Miata is not a pony car. Once you get past the clear cut examples there is not much point in trying to refine it further.
 

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Poke around on kbb.com but here’s one example (used):
2014 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL63 AMG Coupe
536 hp / 590 tq
“Fair purchase price” about $68k
Is this the best you can do?

I'd take a brand new GT350 over this any day. Wait, I already did. :lol:
 

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Poke around on kbb.com but here’s one example (used):
2014 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL63 AMG Coupe
536 hp / 590 tq
“Fair purchase price” about $68k
Fits your criteria well and thanks for posting it. I had looked at BMW and Porsche, but not Mercedes. I like how Mercedes still uses V8 engines.
 

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My 16 GT Premium Versus 18 GT Premium With Same Options

16 GT Premium $36,395
6 Speed Auto $1,195
20" Foundry Wheels $1,295
Destination $900
TOTAL $39,785

18 GT Premium $39,095
10 Speed Auto $1,595
20" Prem Wheels $1,295
Destination $900
TOTAL $42,885

Price Increase: $3,100
 

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And the cost of my 2011 GT, PRICELESS !!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:
 

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In the common parlance the term "sports car" is the biggest tent.
I get that people want to think that the car they chose is fun and 'sporty'. But that desire does not change the cars themselves.

I guess you really had to be there, when the differences between 'sports car' and anything else was perhaps the most clear-cut of all.


The term is used generically for any high performance car.
And generic use eventually makes a term worthless. If you need an example, look what happened to "Aspirin". Now so meaningless that you probably don't even use it or hear it used. Is that what you want here?


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16 GT Premium $36,395
6 Speed Auto $1,195
20" Foundry Wheels $1,295
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TOTAL $39,785

18 GT Premium $39,095
10 Speed Auto $1,595
20" Prem Wheels $1,295
Destination $900
TOTAL $42,885

Price Increase: $3,100
Right, but:

  • 2018 std equipment > 2016 std equipment
  • 2018 5.0 > 2016 5.0
  • 10 speed > 6 speed

It would be one thing if the 2018 was to the 2017 as the 2017 was to the 2016, but it's not. It's changed enough to basically be a new gen. One could argue much of the value for the price is still great, all things considered (improvements you get out of the gate with a 2018 include: better/more efficient (TBD) motor, better trans, LED lighting (superior to HID), standard back up sensors). The only pricing change that was completely absurd was the increase in PP, and the 401A packaging group change-up.
 

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Poke around on kbb.com but here’s one example (used):
2014 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class CL63 AMG Coupe
536 hp / 590 tq
“Fair purchase price” about $68k
Fits your criteria well and thanks for posting it. I had looked at BMW and Porsche, but not Mercedes. I like how Mercedes still uses V8 engines.
Next compare the insurance cost of those vehicles to discover you will likely pay hundreds more per month for the Mercedes than you would for a new Mustang even if the purchase price is comparable. At least thats how it is here in the Massachusetts.
 

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Next compare the insurance cost of those vehicles to discover you will likely pay hundreds more per month for the Mercedes than you would for a new Mustang even if the purchase price is comparable. At least thats how it is here in the Massachusetts.
Not to mention maintenance. I've been struggling with what vehicle to get next. I really like the BMW M2 but then I want to just get a GT350 which would likely be cheaper up front and in the long run.
 

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Right, but:
  • 2018 std equipment > 2016 std equipment

  • 2018 5.0 > 2016 5.0

  • 10 speed > 6 speed

It would be one thing if the 2018 was to the 2017 as the 2017 was to the 2016, but it's not. It's changed enough to basically be a new gen. One could argue much of the value for the price is still great, all things considered (improvements you get out of the gate with a 2018 include: better/more efficient (TBD) motor, better trans, LED lighting (superior to HID), standard back up sensors). The only pricing change that was completely absurd was the increase in PP, and the 401A packaging group change-up.
To a certain extent, maybe. But the 2018 is far away from being anything close to a "new gen."

A 5.7% increase in hp is ok, but clearly nominal. The 10 spd auto is a good upgrade, but something thoroughly expected in a Mustang GT. Lights and back up sensors are nice, but a yawn to many people and shouldn't add to a price increase.

As the owner of my tenth Mustang, I clearly have an long standing affinity for the breed. But things seem to be getting out of hand ...
 

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In the common parlance the term "sports car" is the biggest tent ...
I get that people want to think that the car they chose is fun and 'sporty'. But that desire does not change the cars themselves ...
Guys, it's no use getting neurotic over the term "sports car."

That's what Ford calls it, let's just let it go at that ...
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